JAYANDSHEL wrote:Question
An original genuine tiger that has been restored to show winning factory correct concours condition or a perfect, documented low millage unrestored car to the same standard, which would command the higher selling price
Answer
In my opinion (please note the start of this answer)I think the low mileage original car is worth more which therefore says to me people like their cars to be as original factory standard if they are paying top dollar.Therefor the key is PRICE must always reflect what has happened to the car in the past and I do think all Tiger IDs must be preserved even at the cost of an Alpine Shell.
Jason
Jason,
I can somewhat agree with you in what you have said.. but depends how well the original car has survived. However the one thing i think that is being mixed up in this thread and at the cost of the agrument is PRIVE vs REPRESENTATION.
Sure price is what influences some of this stuff.. but the real issue is about history.. if a car has its bits swapped into another car.. the other car is still the rightful identity.. i reiterate.. the only reason people swap tags is to decieve.. and what you say seems you would agree..
I'm just asking we remove value out of the argument as there are certain narrow minded people who the latch onto that and contend the only reaason people dont like VIN swapping is they are trying to preserve/increase the value of their cars.. i think its not about that.. its about actually representing the cars they are.
To those who still think that swapping vins is acceptable.. the LeMans Tigers (or Listers as they are reffered to often) they are built on S3 Alpines.. if you wrote one off completly (may that never happen!) If you got another S3 performed all the same mods, crafted a new alloy fastback/rear section on and swap the VIN's.. that is NOT the car that ran at LM.. its a recreation of that car with some original bits.. but to pretend its still the LM Tiger that ran in '64.. sorry no dice.
To clarify myself and end my contribution to this discourse..
*Tigers and Alpine have a shared linage.
*Tigers were taken off the production line before certain alpine features were installed, modifed and had unique parts added and assigned an identity,
*Tigers can have parts replaced on them from donor cars, front/rear clips doors etc.. they can have modern rust replacement panels used, floors etc.. but the core of the original car existsts.
*swapping one Tiger's ID to another Tiger is trying to move the history of one car to another.. and deleting it forever.
*Swapping parts from a Tiger iunto and Alpine then removing the Vin doesnt make the new car a Tiger.. its still the Alpine, it now has parts from another car in it.. that shell was still an alpine and has a history with owners/events/repairs etc...
*A conversion can be done to a higher standard than a factory car (and we would hope so!) but if it's about workmanship, what does swapping a VIn achieve except you are trying to hide what happened?
*A cars VIN is its identity, it allows you to trace its ownership history and what it may have done.. swapping that to another car means you are attributing a history it did not create.
*If you receieve a liver transplant from someone and then take their drivers liscence, it doesnt make you them.. its just identity fraud.
For me its not about value, workmanship, the fact they once shared a comon production line..
IT IS about once that car has a VIn attached to it it starts a History.. swapping it to another car no matter what it is means you are deleting one cars history and replacing it with anothers... and no matter what the previous history of the wrecked car cant replace the history of the one its now on.
Thats the last i will say on this..
