Brads Tiger

Brad1380 · Post by **Brad1380** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:15 pm

Had a BBQ and used some of the spare meat to flip the Tiger, amazing how much crud fell out of it.

martin172 · Post by **martin172** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:14 pm

What's next?

Brad1380 · Post by **Brad1380** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:25 pm

Hi Martin,
well i'm getting fed up looking at the thing, so next is a repeat of the other side & if i don't make progress by New Year it's going to a body shop.

I've found the place thats going to do the paint & they have a welder full time. The owner is well into classic cars so it will be ok there.

Meanwhile in deepest Doncaster something is happening with the engine sooon i hope.

martin172 · Post by **martin172** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:41 pm

I don't think anyone will blame you for throwing it at a body shop.
Body work is a time consuming, energy sapping thankless task.

What's happening in Doncaster.
The last engine instalment was an oversize block wasn't it or have I missed an episode or three?

Brad1380 · Post by **Brad1380** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:03 pm

Got my hands on a 289 5 bolt, 1965 so age related )

Tom_HRO260 · Post by **Tom_HRO260** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:35 am

Hi Brad
Thanks for keeping the restoration tales coming - images are inspirational, even if the end result this end is still not too much in the way of progress (Martin's right; body work just plain wears you down...)
Are you going to stay with a period firing order in the cam department as well with your 5 bolt? Nothing sweeter than that (seemingly almost obsolete F.O.) 289 sound...
Cheers, Tom

Brad1380 · Post by **Brad1380** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:25 am

Good point Tom i'd almost forgotten about that, i'll add it to the list for the engine builder.
Spent yesterday scrapping off 50 year old underseal from the other side of the chassis, nice job...

Arranged for an ex fabricator mate to come around for a few days in a month or so time, so hopefully make some good progress then.

martin172 · Post by **martin172** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Forgive my stupidity but what's the difference between the 260 FO and the 289 and what's difference is there in the sound?

Brad1380 · Post by **Brad1380** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:38 pm

Now i know why there was over an inch of weld on the base of the panhard mount.

I'm going to have to chop that bit out, then add an extra plate i think. I've an off cut of 3" box which should do for the new bracket.

Tom_HRO260 · Post by **Tom_HRO260** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:33 am

Hi Martin
No diff there b/w 260/289 (and later: see below) - it's just that (probably for mainly economic/commercial reasons) most cam manufacturers now have a preference for 351W FO on the majority of their profiles. This is particularly so if you head down the HYD roller path. That said, I believe Crower are doing "retro-fit" rollers with the earlier FO but I haven't seen a published FO confirming that.
The FO was changed per notes below:

**** courtesy Wiki ****

Around 1985~1986, Ford changed the 302 to the 351W firing order, so it's important when changing camshafts to know the right firing order for the engine.

The FO for the 302 HO was actually changed a bit earlier. Around 1982 would be more accurate. Another thing you need to consider is that the firing order only changed on HO engines! Non-HO 302s/5.0s continued with the 'old' FO.

The 'new' FO relocated stresses on the crankshaft to spread the load out and effectively make the crank stronger. One could argueably put a 351w or HO cam in a 'regular' SBF and effectively make the engine stronger with only a cam swap.

Anyway, the 351w FO is only used on specific 302s built during the years in question. Not all.

***** End Wiki ******

I can't vouch for crankshaft stresses, but - personal opinion alert!! - I do prefer the sound of the earlier FO. More snap crackle and pop!

Early FO: 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
351W FO: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

Last Disclaimer: I run the late FO as I am using a HYD Roller and at time of build early FO was only available via custom billets. If you really want the early snap crackle but with the late FO, you could always do a Tony T and bypass the mufflers (I'm guessing that's what he does - bitchin' sound!)

Cheers, Tom

Tom_HRO260 · Post by **Tom_HRO260** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:51 am

Brad1380 wrote:Now i know why there was over an inch of weld on the base of the panhard mount.

I'm going to have to chop that bit out, then add an extra plate i think. I've an off cut of 3" box which should do for the new bracket.

Hi Brad - I found a similar approach on mine when cleaning the subframe (see first page of my somewhat dormant post <<Another Tiger down below>>).

Do I recall that you were proposing some fancy re-engineering regarding the rear axle support? There's a fair amount of debate (now that's unusual for Tigers...) about the effectiveness of the standard mounting/location of the Panhard. I know a number of people (me included) have relocated the bar so that it's more horizontal, but for some reason I thought you had something more radical planned?

Cheers

Tom

tigertim · Post by **tigertim** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:18 pm

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt22 ... rndpbo.jpg

Hi Brad. I made this panhard rod for my car, It came about because you can't use poly bushes at an angle as on original rod. You must keep the gusset short so the forces are horizontal and not as same as old rod. hope that makes sense
Tim

tigertim · Post by **tigertim** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:20 pm

seem to have cocked this photo job up somehow Ill try later

tigertim · Post by **tigertim** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:37 pm

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt22 ... trr0q8.jpg

Try this

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:52 pm

Most MK1 Tigers have had their panhard rod mounting torn out at some point. Rootes sent a bulletin to the dealers showing how to weld in a strengthening plate.

sunbeamtiger.co.uk

Brads Tiger

Firing Order

Cam Firing Order

Be wary of generous welds!