TAC - Tiger/Alpine re-shelling discussion thread.

garyv8tiger · Post by **garyv8tiger** » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:56 am

ok who would inspect .the only people that could do it is the ones
responsible for building them .

nobody knows more about algers than the creators .

i know graham has access to other info that needs to tie up with the car ie numbers.

gtsmrt · Post by **gtsmrt** » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:44 pm

garyv8tiger wrote:
gtsmrt wrote:
garyv8tiger wrote:also there could be people out there who dont know there cars are reshells .why burst there bubble
Hi Gary,

If you weren't sure about your Tiger, wouldn't you want to know especially if you invested a large amount of money into buying one? If I were one of those owners, I would certainly want to know.

Regards, Robin.
and what would they do about it after they had already bought it.

You didn't answer my question Gary, but I wouldn't sit there and do nothing.

garyv8tiger · Post by **garyv8tiger** » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:09 pm

if i had had it some time no i wouldnt want to know .if i was buyin a car i would buy from a reputable source and do my homework.all 3 of my tigers have come from places where there is no chance of them being anythink other than genuine .i looked at others and walked away from any i wasnt sure of .

Post by **gvickery** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:13 pm

Inspections for authenticity under a T.A.C. type of programme would be done by trained and sanctioned inspectors who would know the specifics of what constitutes an original Tiger manufactured by Jensen for the Rootes Group. Such inspections would be possible anywhere in the UK, within reason!

If every buyer of a Tiger 'did their homework and bought from a reputable source' we wouldn't be having this discussion. But we don't, so we are!!

Graham

garyv8tiger · Post by **garyv8tiger** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:45 pm

fair comment .but i also think a good panel man could replicate one that would pass a tac.
does a tiger fail tac if it has had the id plate rivits removed ?

meadowhog · Post by **meadowhog** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:53 pm

garyv8tiger wrote:fair comment .but i also think a good panel man could replicate one that would pass a tac.
does a tiger fail tac if it has had the id plate rivits removed ?

No but it would help decide what it is in the ranking.

I think theres a good chance your right about a good panel man. They would both have to be good and know about Tigers though. I wonder how many cars have passed that should not have and how many that didnt that should have?

Post by **gvickery** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:45 am

Removal and the re-attaching of the chassis & JAL plates does not prevent authentication. If they have been the fact is noted on the Certificate issued upon authentication.

I'd like to think both Gary and 'Meadowhog' know there is more in Jensen's handiwork than a 'panel man' can do.

Why is there this curiosity about beating the method? Is it supposed to suggest the methods of inspection can be beaten and the process easily fooled?

Graham

meadowhog · Post by **meadowhog** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:55 am

gvickery wrote:
I'd like to think both Gary and 'Meadowhog' know there is more in Jensen's handiwork than a 'panel man' can do.

Why is there this curiosity about beating the method? Is it supposed to suggest the methods of inspection can be beaten and the process easily fooled?

Graham

The curiosity comes from not knowing when a reshell Tiger finishes and a Restored Tiger starts. Nobody has made any effort to explain that. Im curious as to why?

Anybody that knows what theyre looking at Knows its not easy if not impossible to fool. I would say yes to TAC whole heartedly if it encompassed authentic cars and also passed reshelled ones (with a different designation) and stated what the difference between the two are.

garyv8tiger · Post by **garyv8tiger** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:12 am

gvickery wrote:Removal and the re-attaching of the chassis & JAL plates does not prevent authentication. If they have been the fact is noted on the Certificate issued upon authentication.

I'd like to think both Gary and 'Meadowhog' know there is more in Jensen's handiwork than a 'panel man' can do.

Why is there this curiosity about beating the method? Is it supposed to suggest the methods of inspection can be beaten and the process easily fooled?

Graham[/quote

i am aware that there are other related things jensen did .as for there work it .it is rough and easy to replicate .
i am not interested in beating the tac system as i have no need too.but pointing out its not impossible .we dont need to follow the americans on everything.its not even an american car .

gtsmrt · Post by **gtsmrt** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:47 am

To Simon and Gary, there is no doubt people have tried, but to date I think you will find that no Alpine conversion has passed a TAC inspection. Simon, if we have not answered your question sufficiently, I would suggest that you speak to someone like Norman Miller in the US in regards to how far a restoration can go. I thought you had put that question behind you as a number of people had put forward answers. If you don't want to speak to Norman, I'm certain some of the other members can help.

Regards, Robin.

gtsmrt · Post by **gtsmrt** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:52 am

meadowhog wrote:I would say yes to TAC whole heartedly if it encompassed authentic cars and also passed reshelled ones (with a different designation) and stated what the difference between the two are.

No need to inspect a re-shell, we know exactly what they are and what to call them... Alpine conversion's.

65beam · Post by **65beam** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:41 am

robin,
there are several rebodies that have a tac certificate. TRUST ME!!!! i just won't tell where they are. it's really nobody's business what owners do to their cars. there may be a couple in your country. TRUST ME!!!

gtsmrt · Post by **gtsmrt** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:58 am

I think I will stick to the reputable word of Norm thanks very much.

Mal · Post by **Mal** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:48 am

robin,
there are several rebodies that have a tac certificate. TRUST ME!!!! i just won't tell where they are. it's really nobody's business what owners do to their cars. there may be a couple in your country. TRUST ME!!!

I think there should be a price for that.

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:58 am

I'd like to think both Gary and 'Meadowhog' know there is more in Jensen's handiwork than a 'panel man' can do.

Why is there this curiosity about beating the method? Is it supposed to suggest the methods of inspection can be beaten and the process easily fooled?

Graham[/quote]

I think there will always be criminals out there trying to "clone" cars and for that reason TAC would be a good thing.

The other side of the coin is that classic car owners entrust their cars to restoration specialists. They are often knowledgable enough to use the original manufacturing methods so that those cars can be restored correctly. If you were having a Tiger reshelled wouldnt you want the car to be done as it would have been from new?

With enough skill, knowledge and time I suppose anything can be achieved

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