Too good to be true

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:18 am

Looks a bit special

What do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1 ... 1884wt_905

martin172 · Post by **martin172** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:23 am

What makes you think it's an alger?

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:28 am

It looks perfect and is too cheap

martin172 · Post by **martin172** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:36 am

Perhaps they just want it sold.

Having said that, the pics aren't comprehensive so maybe it's not quite as perfect as it looks. Who knows. I haven't seen it in the flesh.

As for the price, there's another one for sale for the same money which will be in much, much better condition so I'd say the price is a bit over the top. I wouldn't call that one an alger if I was you.

IMO, calling Tiger algers without justification is a dangerous game.

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:17 am

Point taken

I am not saying this is an Alger - that's the point of a Forum isn't it? - i.e. soliciting opinion and feedback from others...?

My point about this one (and other add's like it) - is it's unhelpful *NOT* to state the VIN or make reference to the authenticity of the car

As someone who deals I am sure you would agree that this is imperative to the marque and retaining value in the Tiger brand

Mal · Post by **Mal** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:25 am

I wouldn't cry Alger on that car. Yes they havn't disclosed the VIN. They seem to asking close to top dollar for a MK1 and there are no pic's of the underside of the car to see how clean it really is.

gtsmrt · Post by **gtsmrt** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:44 am

It does look like a lot of effort to make it look stunning with the studio type shots. Am I seeing things with the booster located at the passengers feet? If it is, that is an unusual position. Quite a reasonable price if it is as good as the pictures. They talk more about the history of the Tiger more than the car itself.

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:52 am

I spotted the booster in the foot well - the 4.7 engine, the Mk2 script on the front flitch panel

I agree the photography looks stunning hence my comments

I am familiar with this company who advertise in Octane regularly - they usually market their stuff for top dollar

Nice car for the money if it all checks out

michael-king · Post by **michael-king** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:14 pm

Bobby,

It is inconvenient that the seller lists neither VIN or JAl of the car. However i have to agree with the others that basically labelling it an alger without much more questionable information is a bit dubious and not in the best interest of the group.

Dealers especially have a habbit of not knowing the particulars of Tigers, while i think listing the VIN would be an obivous one, many tiger people also want to SEE the VIN to look at the riverts and to see if they are not correct at least it has an original tag. As for underside shots that is another thing dealers often avoid.. often because they are not as enticing as the shiney or fresh paint above.

There are a few personalisations on the car, but thats nto uncomon with tigers. I would say the car looks presentable and if one was interested they should go investigate the car in person or ask for more information/pictures of the Tiger specific areas of interest.

Unless you start seeing significant Tiger features missing/modified (and i dont mean trim/badges etc) I would be cautious about the Alger label.

As for the booster in the footwell, that was a comon 60's race mod to clear excess stuff out of the engine bay in an attemp to aid cooling (probably not much use unless you actually have vents in the guards in that area which most of those racers did. 4.7 litre engine is a comon exchange as are 302'.. nothing to doubt history over that detail.

Post by **gvickery** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:19 pm

If I can help this one along wearing my 'moderator' hat.

As 'bobbybutton' clarified it wasn't his intention to label this Tiger as an 'Alger' but as Martin conveys, Forum members must be careful how they breath never mind spell out that word when discussing another Tiger they have no knowledge of, who ever is offerring it for sale.

I think it only reasonable to expect that questions should only stem from known and observable facts and certainly nothing like 'could it be' without solid prior knowledge.

Equally, I fully agree that the particular listing doesn't help things by ommitting the chassis number etc as Michael K points out. Commercial vendors new to the Tiger could help themselves with a bit of retail dilgence!

Graham
STOC Editor

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:27 pm

Thanks Graham

I certainly did not want to cast dispersions which are un-warranted

Will chose my words carefully

Tomaselli · Post by **Tomaselli** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:41 pm

There are some great pictures in the eBay listing. Great how they frame the car like that in a studio setting, must a pro judging from the "lighting" of the images

Anyway, back on topic - best going to have a proper look me thinks and take somebody who knows what to look for in the Tiger marque. Don't really want to be making an expensive mistake. Sorry cannot help, as I have not seen the car in the flesh, and if you think that is cheap you can have mine

Bobbybutton · Post by **Bobbybutton** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:46 pm

£29k for a Mk2 - I'll have some of that....

Which one am I havin

Tomaselli · Post by **Tomaselli** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:55 pm

garyv8tiger · Post by **garyv8tiger** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:09 pm

i wouldnt say it was cheap or a bit special,brian postle sold a mk2 for not much more than that a couple of moths back and he has a mk1 that is better than that for around the same money.if it was 15k alarm bells might ring ,wouldnt like to sell a tiger the 1st thing anyone says is its an alger

especially if they havnt got one